Today's news stories brings us to “type 2 fun” — the idea that some of life’s toughest moments later become our most rewarding stories.  To explore that, I'm joined by Jocelyn and Robert, who’ll share their own experiences of struggle, resilience, and growth.

This episode's headlines:

Kelsey Pfendler sets record in solo Hawaii row.

Young Taiwanese sailor remains resilient after record voyage and London theft.

Type 2 Fun: why life’s toughest moments can be most rewarding.